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** Brand with only numbers
** Brand with only numbers
*** For examples, <code>1664</code>, <code>1883</code> or <code>365</code>.
*** For examples, <code>1664</code>, <code>1883</code> or <code>365</code>.
From slack
- Because some names can differ per country instead of per languages (we can take the example of Miko/wall's ice creams (<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall%27s_(ice_cream))</nowiki> that are called Frigo in Spain but Bresler in Chile and Bolivia).
- The Coca-Cola Company sells Fanta in Thailand under two different brands (or two different writings of the same brand): one in English (Fanta) and one in Thai (แฟนต้า).
Danone is selling its mineral water in Morroco with both Arabic and French information on the bottle. The brand on the Arabic side is "عين سايس", but it is "aïn Saïss" on the French side.
There are probably thousands of examples with Japanese/English (like 味の素/Ajinomoto) in Japan and Chinese/English (乐虎/Hi-Tiger for instance) in China.
- For these examples, I see 2 options
1) Synonyms
th: แฟนต้า, fanta
(+) they are at the same level of hierarchy
(-) only first synonym will be visible for users, have to opt for the most appropriate one (local language maybe?)
2) different children for the same parent. Let's say we have parent "Coca Cola company", then we would have something like
xx: coca-cola company<xx: coca-cola company
xx: fanta
th: fanta<xx: coca-cola company
xx: แฟนต้า
th: แฟนต้า(+) Both should be visible for users
(-) we have two different entries for the "same" brandI kind of like option 1)
(also by changing the website URL th.openfoodfacts -> world.openfoodfacts, we could see different names... Maybe )
I like the first option better too.
It is kind of what we do for now.
It is probably not too awkward for countries like Thailand, China or Japan where there is only one official language.
It might be slightly more awkward when there are several official languages in the country.
When all those languages use the same writing system (like Switzerland or Belgium), the brand is usually the same across the languages so it should be ok.
The really tricky part is the case of countries having several official languages using different writing systems. Morocco is an example (Arabic/French), but things could get really problematic with India (22 official languages using 12 different writing systems).
in the PR from @aleene, there is the ice-cream brand I mentioned here-above (Frigo in Spain):
<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>According to this logic, '''fr:miko''' would be under '''fr:Unilever France'''. And both would be under '''en:Unilever PLC/N.V.'''<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>On the other hand, there are some ice-creams that are sold in both countries... (link)<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>So, this sub-brand in this example "cornetto" should have french and spanish parents.<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>I think it is possible to have more than a single parents (since ingredients taxonomy is like that).
<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>
<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>- That made me realise - in some cases one brand is owned by two companies, at least one example come to mind <span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>- <span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>Aldi. I believe both Aldi Nord and Aldi Süd use the name "Aldi" but they operate in <span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>di<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>fferent areas, so it's going to be a mess
<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldi#/med</nowiki><span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>ia<span data-stringify-type="paragraph-break" class="c-mrkdwn__br" aria-label=""></span>/File:Aldi_branches_in_Europe.svg
- Another classical example is the licensing of beer brands: the same brand may be exploited under a licensing agreement by different companies depending on the country (and this can change with time).
My understanding is that it is because for beer, it is a lot cheaper to produce locally than to transport internationally.
See for example: <nowiki>https://www.diffordsguide.com/beer-wine-spirits/2003/san-miguel-cerveza-uk-brewed</nowiki>
In the UK San Miguel would probably be under Carlsberg Marstons, but in Spain it would be under Mahou San Miguel and in the Philippine or Hong Kong under the (original) San Miguel Brewery. (edited)
- Another well known example is Asahi, whose brands are now manufactured for the European market by its local subsidiaries (Peroni in Italy, for instance) but used to be licensed to Carlsberg Marstons or AB Inbev depending on the country. Some Asahi brands are still licensed to AB InBev at least for some European markets. It used to be very opaque, but recent events made that obvious: <nowiki>https://www.asahiinternational.com/stories/people/asahi-europe-international-statement/</nowiki> (edited)
=== Some particular cases for a product ===
=== Some particular cases for a product ===